Champion Homes (NYSE:SKY) reported second-quarter financial results on Wednesday. The transcript from the company’s second-quarter earnings call has been provided below.
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Summary
Champion Homes reported a 6.2% increase in net sales for the second quarter, with total homes sold rising by 2.2% year-over-year.
The company announced a definitive agreement to acquire Timberline Homes, adding nine locations in the Southeast and over $100 million in annualized revenue.
Manufacturing orders increased by 17% year-over-year, with backlog rising to approximately $500 million, reflecting an 18.6% sequential increase.
Champion Homes’ retail strategy is gaining momentum, with captive retail sales representing 39% of consolidated sales, up from 37% the previous year.
Adjusted gross profit was $185.6 million, with a gross margin of 25.5%, while adjusted EBITDA was $76 million, representing a margin of 10.5%.
The company repurchased $50 million of common stock and refreshed its share repurchase authorization to $150 million.
Future guidance predicts 8% to 10% revenue growth in the third quarter, despite challenges from rising input costs and a dynamic macroeconomic environment.
Notable strategic initiatives include the integration of Homes Direct and the emphasis on the builder-developer channel, highlighted by projects like the Cottonwoods Project in Colorado.
Full Transcript
OPERATOR
The formal remarks. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Ellen Kalinske, Director of Investor Relations. Ellen, please go ahead.
Ellen Kalinske (Director of Investor Relations)
Good morning. Thank you for joining us for today’s conference call and review of Champion Homes results for the second quarter ended September 26, 2026. Here to review the results are Tim Larson, CEO, and Dave McKinstray, CFO. Yesterday, after the market closed, Champion Homes issued its earnings release. As a reminder, the earnings release and statements made during today’s call include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company’s expectations. Such risks and uncertainties include the factors set forth in the earnings release and in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please note that today’s remarks contain non-GAAP financial measures which we believe can be useful in evaluating performance. Definitions and reconciliations of these measures can be found in the earnings release.
I will now turn the call over to Tim Larson.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Thank you, Ellen, and good morning, everyone. Our second quarter reflects the momentum of the Champion Homes team as we continue to deliver year-over-year organic growth, gain share, and advance our strategic initiatives. The strong results include sequential and year-over-year double-digit increases in manufacturing orders. The team’s execution of our strategic priorities is enabling continued outperformance versus the broader housing market, reflecting the strength of our diversified channels and product portfolio.
We continue to expand our retail channel as reflected in last month’s announcement of our definitive agreement to acquire Timberline Homes. I’ll discuss the acquisition in more detail shortly. First, let’s turn to our second quarter results. Net sales increased 6.2% compared to the prior year, in line with our expectation for mid-single-digit growth. Total homes sold during the quarter were 6,922, a 2.2% increase compared to the prior year. Our retail strategy continues to gain momentum. Captive retail represented approximately 39% of consolidated sales during the quarter compared to 37% in the prior year. We continue to see the benefits of our investments in retail capabilities and the customer experience.
Manufacturing orders increased 17% versus the prior year. The quarter resulted in a quarter-end manufacturing backlog of approximately $500 million. This represents an 18.6% sequential increase and $78 million of additional orders. Backlog lead times averaged approximately 11 weeks at quarter-end compared to nine weeks last quarter. We strategically ramped production by location and geography and will continue to manage production responsibly by balancing customer demand and seasonality.
Manufacturing capacity utilization, including idled facilities, was 62% during the quarter, up from 60% in the same period last year. Turning to our strategic initiatives within our retail channel, our integration of Homes Direct, which closed on August 1, is progressing well. The team is focused on expanding Champion products throughout the network and leveraging best practices across our retail platform. As we’ve experienced with our prior retail investments, we anticipate the acquisition will be accretive to both our retail and manufacturing operations. On October 5, we announced a definitive agreement to acquire Timberline Homes, a leading independent retailer with nine locations across Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida.
This planned acquisition reflects our commitment to align our capital to our strategy to drive long-term accretive value while continuing the diversified strength of our balance sheet. Timberline’s presence in the Southeast provides opportunities to leverage the strength of our existing manufacturing and retail footprint while expanding our ability to serve customers in the region. Timberline’s nine locations have annualized revenue of over $100 million.
Subject to customary closing conditions, the transaction is expected to close in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2027. From a channel perspective, we achieved strong results across our portfolio, reinforcing the resiliency of our diversified go-to-market model in a dynamic environment. Sales to our independent retail channel continue to grow, delivering solid results in the quarter. We continue to support our independent dealers through investments in lead management tools in our dealer portal, digital initiatives that engage consumers, and product offerings that are a fit for today’s homebuyers.
Our captive retail channel delivered another quarter of growth, benefited from continued execution across the network and contribution from two months with Homes Direct. Our 95 captive retail stores represent approximately 39% of consolidated sales, up from 37% in the prior-year period. Community customer demand remained stable in the quarter. We continue to work closely with community operators, offering a variety of price points and products that fit with their priorities.
As we noted on our last call, we remain encouraged by the engagement from our large community customers. Demand in our builder-developer channel remains strong, driven by our team’s focus on delivering attainable homeownership and faster construction timelines. One recently launched development that illustrates the channel’s breadth of opportunity and what’s possible is the Cottonwoods Project in Sterling, Colorado. This previously stalled community has been revitalized by Champion.
Consisting of three-bedroom, two-and-a-half-bath homes that are priced below comparable site-built offerings, this project reflects the growing interest and pipeline we are experiencing from builders and developers. Each project becomes a proof point and a catalyst that demonstrates how off-site built homes improve affordable housing supply with shorter construction timelines and faster return on capital. Turning to financing, our joint venture with TRIAD continues to perform well. We remain agile on offering a range of financing solutions to our channel customers and homebuyers to ensure each can offer and purchase the right home at their target monthly payment.
On the regulatory front, the encouraging momentum continues. Our team remains actively engaged with HUD as rulemaking associated with the ROAD Act continues to evolve. We were pleased to recently host HUD Secretary Scott Turner and his team at our Chandler, Arizona facility. It provided an opportunity to showcase firsthand our commitment to quality, innovation, and our customer experience. We are so grateful for Secretary Turner’s advocacy for affordable housing and we appreciate his unwavering leadership as rulemaking proceeds.
In September, Champion was featured in HUD’s Innovative Housing Showcase on the National Mall in Washington, DC. We were proud to debut the industry’s first two-story HUD code home with a second floor built without a chassis. The home plan is called New Horizon. It’s America’s urban infill solution with a small building footprint for higher-density housing. This three-bedroom, two-and-a-half-bath, 1,700-square-foot home is built to the HUD code. The response to our homes and operations from policymakers continues to be tremendously positive.
While the updated code implementation timelines remain undefined, these developments reinforce our belief that manufactured housing will continue to play an increasingly important role in addressing the nation’s housing affordability challenges. Looking ahead, while the macroeconomic environment remains dynamic, we are encouraged by customer engagement, trends, order activity, and the opportunities we see across our business. Our broad product portfolio meets customers’ needs with a range of options and price points that are increasingly important as inflation and rate dynamics persist. Our strong balance sheet, disciplined capital allocation, and differentiated channel platform continue to position Champion well for growth and shareholder value creation.
With that, I’ll turn the call over to Dave.
Dave McKinstray (EVP & Chief Financial Officer)
Thanks, Tim, and good morning everyone. I’ll begin by reviewing our second quarter financial results followed by our balance sheet and capital allocation activities. I’ll then conclude with our outlook for the third quarter of fiscal 2027. Overall, we delivered second quarter results largely in line with the expectations we provided last quarter. Revenue growth was supported by higher home shipments, increased average selling prices, and continued strength in our retail operations.
Net sales increased 6.2% compared to the prior year period. In the U.S., the number of homes sold increased 2.3% compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2026 to 6,724 units. Average selling price increased 4.1% to approximately $102,700 per home in the U.S. As Tim noted, the increase in average selling price was primarily driven by a higher proportion of homes sold through our company-owned retail sales centers, which now represents approximately 39% of consolidated sales compared to 37% in the same quarter a year ago.
Captive retail continues to be a strong channel for us and allows us to leverage efficiencies and scale across our nationwide portfolio of stores. Ultimately, this strengthens our ability to deliver a better customer experience. Canadian operations remained relatively stable with homes sold increasing modestly to 198 units compared to 196 units in the prior year period. Average selling price declined slightly due to product mix. Turning now to consolidated profitability, adjusted gross profit was $185.6 million, representing an adjusted gross margin of 25.5%, which is in line with our expectations. We continue to experience inflationary pressures across several key material categories. You’ll recall on our last call we noted that inflation appeared to be stabilizing. However, material cost inflation accelerated during the quarter at a faster rate than we had assumed at that time.
A higher proportion of sales through our captive retail channel benefited gross margin and partially offset these pressures. Pricing, execution and discipline along with continued operational efficiencies also help mitigate the impact. I’m proud of how our team responded and executed in this environment. Adjusted SG&A expense represents 16.3% of net sales within our expected range of 16% to 17%. We continue to actively reallocate SG&A investment dollars towards our highest priority strategic initiatives.
At the same time, we remain disciplined in managing costs across the rest of the organization, which allows us to invest in long-term growth while keeping SG&A within our targeted range. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $76 million, representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 10.5%. This was consistent with our expectations as we continued to balance growth in investment, retail expansion initiatives, and disciplined expense management. Now looking at the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with cash and cash equivalents of $702.8 million compared to $638.3 million at the end of the prior fiscal year. Operating cash flow totaled $43 million during the quarter, demonstrating the strong cash generation characteristics of the business. Together with cash on hand, this allowed us to fund the Homes Direct acquisition while also returning capital to shareowners. During the quarter, we repurchased and retired $50 million of common stock, consistent with our commitment to deploying capital in a manner that maximizes long-term shareowner value.
This brings our total share repurchases since program initiation in fiscal 2025 to $380 million. In line with our previously announced capital allocation framework, our board also refreshed the company’s share repurchase authorization back to $150 million. Our balance sheet remains strong and provides significant flexibility to continue executing on our capital allocation priorities, investing organically, pursuing strategic acquisitions, and returning capital to shareowners.
Now looking ahead to our third quarter, demand trends remain constructive across most of our channels. Manufacturing backlog remains healthy, customer engagement continues to be positive and recent acquisition activity is progressing according to plan, which gives us good visibility into the quarter. That said, we remain mindful of the broader macroeconomic environment. Interest rates have moved higher, consumers continue to face affordability pressures and economic uncertainty remains elevated.
We are monitoring these factors closely as they could influence demand trends over time and we will continue to manage the business with discipline as conditions evolve. On the cost side, we are seeing rising inflationary pressure across our input costs. As noted earlier, costs did not plateau as we had anticipated and inflation accelerated through late summer and early fall, most notably steel and petroleum-based materials. We expect these pressures to persist into the third quarter, with steel costs in particular continuing to move higher.
We are taking actions to mitigate their impact through strategic pricing, sourcing initiatives and operational efficiencies. For the third quarter, we expect revenue growth to remain strong compared to the prior year period, supported by current backlog levels. We expect revenue growth in the 8% to 10% range compared to fiscal third quarter 2026. We anticipate adjusted gross margin will remain under some pressure from input cost inflation, though we continue to expect benefits from our mitigation actions to build over time. We expect adjusted gross margin to be in the 24% to 25% range for the coming quarter.
We expect adjusted SG&A as a percentage of sales to remain within our historical operating range of 16% to 17% of net sales as we continue investing in strategic growth initiatives while maintaining disciplined cost management. In summary, Champion Homes continues to generate strong cash flow, maintain a highly flexible balance sheet, and execute on a strategy that we believe will drive sustainable long-term shareowner value. I will now turn the call over to Tim for closing remarks.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Thank you, Dave. Our second quarter results demonstrate that despite a dynamic operating environment, Champion Homes continues to execute its strategy with excellence and agility. The progress we’ve made over the last several years starts with our people, who we believe are the best in the industry. That’s a sentiment I hear from our customers and is reflected in all the care for the homes and projects I mentioned earlier. It is also reflected in our channel diversification, retail expansion, product innovation, and our direct-to-consumer platform.
Each of these position us favorably relative to the broader market as demonstrated by our performance in Q2. I’d like to thank the Champion Homes team for all the progress and all the care you take for our customers and the business each day. Operator, let’s open the line and proceed with questions.
OPERATOR
Thank you. If you’d like to ask a question, press star one on your keypad. To leave the queue at any time, press star two. Once again, that is star one to ask a question. We’ll take our first question from Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Daniel Moore (Analyst at CJS Securities)
Thank you. Good morning, Tim and Dave. Thanks for all the color. Congrats on a very solid quarter. You gave good detail in terms of thoughts for fiscal Q3. Maybe just high level talk about the cadence of retail traffic and orders, September into October, how we’re trending into November, into what is a little bit of the seasonally softer period in at least the northern part of your footprint.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Thanks, Dan, and good morning. Demand held up very well through the quarter and we saw increasing order levels across our channels as we moved through the summer months into the fall. October’s digital and showroom traffic was steady and we’ve got good visibility into the third quarter, as we mentioned, with the strength of our backlog. And that’s built into the 8% to 10% revenue guide that we shared. Beyond that, obviously we’re watching the macroeconomic factors, the consumer resiliency. You know, the team’s navigated that very well. And so beyond this third quarter, those are key things in our mind. But we have good visibility into the third quarter and we shared that in the guide. So traffic steady, we’re encouraged, but we’ve got to be nimble given the consumer environment.
Daniel Moore (Analyst at CJS Securities)
Makes sense. That’s great. Gross margins held up really well considering the incremental pressure that we all saw here in the last multiple weeks. Not surprising, a little bit of pressure in fiscal Q3. If—big if—but if costs plateau here in Q3, would you expect to get back to that kind of 25% plus range as we think about fiscal Q4 and beyond? Just talk to your ability to get back to those levels that we saw this quarter.
Dave McKinstray (EVP & Chief Financial Officer)
Hey, Daniel, so I think a couple things, and you can see it in the results that we had in Q2. We are out in the marketplace realizing price. I’m pleased with the price discipline the team’s had. It’s been a very strategic approach as we’ve done it, but you can see that in our results. We talked about, really since the beginning of this year and when we saw the inflationary pressures come, that the mitigation actions lag the input cost inflation that we’re seeing.
So as we’ve seen these new things pop up late in this quarter, we saw oil move higher. We also started to see steel price move higher. What we expect in Q3 is further increases in steel price. So we’re actively now taking those mitigation efforts. Those will build over time. So over the long run we’ll start to build back those gross margins—again, dependent on what the input cost environment looks like. But over time we expect that to build. The other thing that I would mention: we closed on Homes Direct and we announced Timberline. Importantly, we talked about this on prior calls—over the long term as we continue that move towards captive retail, that is a benefit to gross margin as well.
Daniel Moore (Analyst at CJS Securities)
Absolutely, we saw that this quarter. Last question for me and I’ll jump back. Big picture, growing in kind of low single digits organically, clearly far outpacing traditional site-built homes. Are you seeing or feeling a little bit more of a divergence in terms of your performance as well as MH in general versus traditional site-built? And where is that coming from? Is it coming from community developers, the core retail business? Just any insights into that?
Maybe a couple quarters don’t make a trend, but it’s certainly starting to feel like it. Thanks again for all the color. I appreciate it.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Yeah, we certainly saw strength across our channels, but that would include the strength we saw in our builder-developer channel with the project I mentioned. But also broadly as that team continues to work for a strong portfolio of builder-developer within those channels. I’ll use the example of even our street retailers, and certainly our own company stores. We are seeing that consumer that’s coming for the first time to manufactured housing. We have internal data where we can see where did they previously live and that they’re coming first to offsite build, which is encouraging.
And so the team’s done a really good job with the interior and exterior of our aesthetics of our home to bring in new buyers. Combined with our digital marketing, we can bring in those consumers, casting a wider net. And that’s been key obviously given what we’re seeing. As we’re doing that, we’re certainly growing our core traditional HUD business. You see that in our community business and you see it in the results versus the broader industry, as you noted.
So those are encouraging drivers. And that’s why we say we have to be nimble and agile to engage a broader set of consumers, and that’s the strategy that we’re deploying.
Daniel Moore (Analyst at CJS Securities)
All right, look forward to seeing you out in Phoenix in a couple of weeks. Thanks for the color.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Thanks, Dan.
OPERATOR
Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Mike Dejo with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Mike Dejo (Analyst at RBC Capital Markets)
Morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So obviously one of your peers talked a lot about the workforce housing demand and the emerging trend of stronger orders coming from the data center buildout. Wondering if you can talk to that in terms of what you saw in your backlog, how much of that is impacting your 3Q guide and then maybe just taking a step back, your broader perspective on that and how you see Site serving that potential demand, any difference in economics serving that, et cetera.
Dave McKinstray (EVP & Chief Financial Officer)
Yeah, we are building workforce units. The team does a good job of sequencing workforce housing when it helps the existing backlog as they consider our core customers. And it’s going to be favorable to margins, which is key because you got to really look at each of those projects and say, is it really favorable now? The workforce units are within the 6,922 homes we sold in the quarter and in our guide. And it’s relatively a small amount when you’re selling that many homes.
And so as the team focuses on our core channels and customers and the strategies we talked about in our prepared remarks, we’re looking at where does it make sense to do those projects and where do they fit in. Tim does a good job of balancing that and thinking it through strategically as we look at the overall growth of the business.
Mike Dejo (Analyst at RBC Capital Markets)
Okay, great. Thanks for that, Tim. And then just shifting to the acquisitions, it seems like overall the captive retail strategy is paying dividends. Homes Direct progressing well? The Timberline one sounds interesting. Maybe just on Timberline, you mentioned it’s 100 million of annualized revenues. Can you talk about how much business you already sell into that platform and how much is a potential for additive sales, I guess initially and then over time, as you’ve done with some of the others, just further cross selling or penetration of your products within that network?
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Yeah, Timberline is a well-run, long-tenured retailer and it’s been a Champion Homes customer. Their locations, as I mentioned, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, align closely with our manufacturing. With our prior retail acquisitions, we migrate over time their current inventory to Champion Homes product, which will be meaningful because in the case of Timberline, they were a customer but they were a little less than our normal market share. So we have that runway ahead of us.
As we’ve said, that takes time and you’ll see that in our numbers as we go over time. But it is encouraging to have the additional strength in that region and also to support our manufacturing operations there.
Mike Dejo (Analyst at RBC Capital Markets)
That’s great.
OPERATOR
Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Matthew Bolay with Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Elizabeth Langen (Analyst at Barclays)
Good morning. You have Elizabeth Langen on for Matt today. I just wanted to ask if there are any regional geographic trends that you would call out, if there are any areas that are performing better or worse, relatively speaking.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Yeah, we did not see a major change in geography from the last call. Most regions were up for us in orders, which is encouraging. And the West, which we’ve talked about before, was more stable on a year-over-year basis. And so what I would share broadly is the strategies we’re deploying are getting the benefit across channels and geographies. There certainly will be nuances between quarter to quarter, but it’s been encouraging to see the order growth across most of our regions.
Elizabeth Langen (Analyst at Barclays)
Great. And then I had another question. You called out the new Horizon plan. That sounds pretty interesting. In terms of the opportunity to have two-story or more homes, is there anything you would call out around at least the timeline? It seems like it might be somewhat undefined at this point, but anything we should consider around that or any costs or how you’re thinking about the manufacturing for that.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
So the two-story home we did, we’re able to provide those because it’s under the current HUD code and the team was very innovative in putting the two-story together. Some of you got to see it on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. We’ll look to deploy that with key customers where they’re maybe looking for more infill product that can be in more of an urban setting. So we’re encouraged by that. I think also you’re asking about, broadly, where we are in the Road Act and our team is working with HUD as part of the requirements process. As we’ve mentioned, we don’t have a definitive date yet of when the no-chassis homes are going to be available. That typically takes time to go through rulemaking in their overall process and we’re a part of that. And so we had the opportunity with this two-story shown to show what can be done. And what the team is doing is anticipating where it makes sense.
So we’re excited about the opportunity with the no-chassis, but it’s not going to be an overnight impact and increase, as we’ve mentioned, because they’ve got to go through rulemaking. And so the team’s doing a good job on different products and opportunities. So from a regulatory perspective, it’s very encouraging. It’s just we have to have it go through the process.
Elizabeth Langen (Analyst at Barclays)
Yeah, no, it sounds great. All right, thank you very much.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Thank you.
OPERATOR
Thank you. We’ll take our next question from John Labello with UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Nifemi (Analyst at UBS)
Hi, good morning. This is Nifemi on for John. Thank you for taking the questions. Just wanted to start off with the ASP that ticked up sequentially about 7.5% to over 100,000, which was encouraging. I just wanted to ask how much of that increase was from pricing in comparison to channel mix? I think you mentioned earlier in your prepared remarks that a lot of that was also captive retail. So I just wanted to get the breakdown of that, if that’s possible.
Dave McKinstray (EVP & Chief Financial Officer)
Hey, good morning. Thanks. So, starting with our pricing, it’s been broad across our portfolio. Again, it’s strategic. So we’re not just saying, hey, list price of X; it’s across our portfolio, but we take it by region, looking at backlogs and everything else—all those different factors—as we decide. That’s been the large majority of what’s driven the year-on-year ASP increase. As we think about channel mix, and we talked about retail being about 39% versus 37, that was a little bit more than we expected in our guide last quarter.
That was a much smaller portion of that aspect. But important to note what that helped is that did help offset some of the further material inflation at gross margin level that we saw. So ASP, largely the price realization that we drove within the quarter.
Nifemi (Analyst at UBS)
Okay, perfect. Thank you. And then secondly on backlogs that increased like 18 to 18 and a half percent sequentially, and I think you mentioned that represents about 11 weeks. So I was just going to ask. I think last quarter you mentioned that your target range is 4 to 12 weeks. So we’re currently approaching the high end of that. So in the current demand environment, how are you thinking about balancing backlog levels with your current capacity utilization, which I think you mentioned was 62%?
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Yeah, I think a couple of key things: that 60% includes our idle facilities. So the actual utilization of many plants is much higher than that. The way we look at it is from a region basis—what’s the backlog in that particular market for those channels—and in the case of those plants they’re increasing production now. As we go into seasonality, we want to balance that to make sure we’re having the highest margin impact. And the other element is you asked about, from a backlog perspective, the size and that range. It’s within our range now. Some of those orders don’t always go into the next quarter; they can go into subsequent quarters and that’s what the team balances to look at production and the overall efficiencies that come from that additional volume. So we feel good about the backlog and certainly the production efficiencies are continuing to gain as we drive better utilization.
Nifemi (Analyst at UBS)
All right, perfect. Thank you so much.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Thank you.
OPERATOR
Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Jesse Lederman with Zelman. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Jesse Lederman (Analyst at Zelman)
Hey, thanks for taking the question. And again, it was great to see the multi-story home in D.C. It’s really an awesome product. Just wanted to follow up on the pricing stuff. Dave, I know last quarter you mentioned an expectation that price would be relatively stable year over year. Sounds like a little bit more mixed than you thought, but maybe a little bit more like-for-like increases than you thought, maybe. Can you talk about some of the pricing actions you took and what you think drove your ability to take more price maybe than you saw three months ago?
Dave McKinstray (EVP & Chief Financial Officer)
Yeah, I’d say generally, Jesse, we were able to input pricing as we expected. Now, as we saw more cost inflation, we did take some further mitigation efforts within the quarter. So that would have been the one change from what we talked about last time. I would say, generally speaking, and I’ll go back to this, we’ve been strategic about how we put pricing in and I think that’s led to much better effectiveness. Right? So where we don’t think that we have the ability to price—where we haven’t earned price, whether it be from a product standpoint, wherever geography—then we haven’t forced price in there.
Rather we’ve looked at product, geography, backlogs: where have we earned that price, where do we think we have the ability to take? And I think that’s been one of the big drivers for us to effectively put into the marketplace.
Jesse Lederman (Analyst at Zelman)
Got it. That’s helpful. Question for Tim on the workforce housing stuff. When you say you kind of want to figure out where it fits in and you’re doing a little bit, I understand the capacity utilization includes the idle facilities and it’s a bit higher than the 62%, but it would seem you do have capacity across the footprint and at least some facilities to do some more of that. So just curious if there’s anything limiting your ability or willingness to do more and what you think that opportunity could be.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Yeah, it’s a great point. So in certain markets where we have that additional capacity, we can match that up if there is the right workforce housing at the right margin. So there’s a geographic piece to that and the team works through that. There are some markets that our backlogs and our utilization is really high and we have to be strategic about those decisions because we want to make sure our core customers—our key growth strategy customers on build-developer—are served.
So that’s the balance I was referring to. But we’ve done them before, we’re doing them now and we’ll be thoughtful about it as we look at each market and lease opportunity.
Jesse Lederman (Analyst at Zelman)
Got it. That’s helpful. Thanks for that. Could you talk a little bit more about the SG&A and obviously taking on an increased burden from Timberline now, and you’ll take on the full burden from Homes Direct as well—kind of how that flows through and whether the costs from those acquisitions are fixed overhead, how much those are variable. Remind us of those and give us more detail on that.
Dave McKinstray (EVP & Chief Financial Officer)
Yeah. So within the guide that we gave for the quarter, that would include Homes Direct, as that closed here in Q2. So that’s an important thing to keep in mind as we think about retail. We’ve talked about retail being more SG&A heavy than the rest of the enterprise, with a bulk of that SG&A—really about 50%, maybe a little bit over—being variable within retail. So now, as we look at that going forward, we’re also picking up the sales, and what we’ve talked about is over time, the scale of our retail organization growing allows us to moderate down the total impact as a percent of sales to the enterprise.
Right. So we will see an uptick in absolute dollars of SG&A as it comes with these acquisitions, but we’ll see the sales that come with it. So at an enterprise level, due to the scale and those other factors, we expect to remain in that range that I gave. And over time, as we continue to do this, we’d expect SG&A as a percent of sales to work lower, albeit with a higher dollar, with a larger denominator of sales dollars.
Jesse Lederman (Analyst at Zelman)
That’s helpful. Thanks, Dave. And just one housekeeping on the guide for revenue for next quarter, does that include the acquisitions or no?
Dave McKinstray (EVP & Chief Financial Officer)
Yeah, so great question. It does include Homes Direct, because that closed last quarter. But Timberline won’t close until Q4, so that won’t be in the Q3 numbers we provided.
Jesse Lederman (Analyst at Zelman)
Yep, got it. Thanks again, guys.
Ellen Kalinske (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Jesse.
OPERATOR
Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Greg Palm with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Greg Palm (Analyst at Craig-Hallum)
Yeah, thanks. I wanted to maybe just go back a little bit and unpack some of the recent order activity. It sounds like it was kind of broad-based, but just the divergence relative to site-built. Can you just give us maybe a little bit more color? I know the industry returned to growth in the quarter, but you’re seeing a notable outperformance versus site-built. So just wanted to maybe dig into that a little bit more.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
So one of the things I mentioned earlier is the strength of the product innovation. The aesthetics of our interiors and exteriors and bringing in more customers, the more that we can reach out digitally, cast a wider net, gets more engagement. We see that through our leads, the leads we deliver to our own stores, our dealers, and then certainly as we work with builder-developers, those projects are in markets where there’s a need for affordable houses.
So we’re seeing the impact of that strategy. The other element is the price point of the consumer. You know, we’re very thoughtful about what that monthly payment needs to be. And for many consumers, the payment they’re looking for in a brand-new home isn’t available at the site-built level. Or if it’s a used home, they’re going to have to put money in it to make it the way that they want it, or our home they can get brand new. And so we continue to market that advantage and make sure that our channels are prepared for those leads and driving those.
So it’s really product marketing execution across our channels and then really building on the momentum in our builder channel to show those proof points to have more of those projects across the nation.
Greg Palm (Analyst at Craig-Hallum)
Yep, okay, understood. And then just—you mentioned ECN—it didn’t really sound like much has changed, but I guess in light of that acquisition and now another one, you know, Cascade, basically the two of the larger independent, you know, manufactured home financing companies acquired, are you seeing any sort of change—whether that’s, you know, availability, you know, from a cost standpoint—any sort of change in the financing landscape?
Dave McKinstray (EVP & Chief Financial Officer)
Yeah, it’s a great question. So we’ve, you know, had the Triad JV for a number of years, so we’ve been able to work with them on programs to support both flooring for our dealers for new products as well as consumer financing programs in our retail store. The benefit of that is we can work quickly, give them feedback—what works, where we need to make improvements—and the teams do a really good job working together on that. And so the other element we’ve seen is that as there’s been a focus on that joint venture is the private capital that’s come in to be able to be the off-balance-sheet support for those financing programs. The more that that’s come in, it’s created more strength, which has been important because even though the rate increases have happened on the 30-year, we’ve seen some stability on our chattel loans. Now, they do typically lag, you know, the 200, 300 basis points you’ll see.
But it’s fortunate that we’ve got the additional options and that institutional capital behind it to continue to make those loans as affordable as possible. Hopefully over time that will continue to improve. But having those programs, having those JV partners, in the case of Triad and ECN, has been key for us in terms of our overall business.
Greg Palm (Analyst at Craig-Hallum)
Okay. All right. Thanks for the color.
OPERATOR
Great. Thank you. We’ve reached our allotted time for questions. I will now turn the call back over to the team for closing remarks.
Tim Larson (President & CEO)
Yeah. Thanks, everybody, for joining us this morning. We appreciate your support and look forward to updating you on our next quarter. And again, thanks to the team for all the momentum. Have a great rest of your day.
OPERATOR
Thank you. This brings us to the end of today’s meeting. We appreciate your time and participation. You may now disconnect.
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